Tehran, IRAN - Architect & Writer
Interview made by Cyril Bruyelle in August 2017
What did you want to be when you were a kid?
I think right from the start I was pretty sure that I wanted to become an architect. I had a choice between becoming an actor or an architect. But I eventually choose to become an architect.
With whom would you like to have a coffee?
I think I could have a coffee with anybody but with the present situation I wouldn’t mind having a coffee with M. Trump. Maybe I could tell him a few things.
If you could choose something that could be taught in every school in the world, what would it be?
I think one of the biggest problems of the world is that everybody is talking about democracy but nobody is talking about a world deep democracy.
Many countries are becoming democracies gradually within themselves but as far as the world is concerned there is no democracy whatsoever. There are a number of powers, which simply dictates to other countries. In other words my biggest problem is that there’s no equality between nations. The United Nations are dominated by five countries, that have veto power. The United Nations in itself has become almost the body of nothing; they are not doing anything whatsoever.
Consequently, I think as far as education is concerned, there should be an education in order to promote this equality of nations; this is a very important thing.
All the older sociological and political problems of the world, like in the Middle East and in other parts of the world are in fact due to inequality between nations. Some nations like the US they want to dictate their policies, their way of life to everybody else.
The world is becoming more educated especially the younger generation in the underdeveloped world and in the developing world. I would like to create an organization to promote this idea: the equality of nations. This should start from schools, universities and other educational establishments and it should be a primary goal to the world.
To you, what’s that main characteristic that all human being have in common?
I think of a very unfortunate nature in human beings; I came to the conclusion that human beings are very animal-like. There is an aggressive part in every human being. This aggressive part is very evident in personal relationship and also in international relationship between human beings. In other words, we try to impose ourselves on others.
We call ourselves human and the word comes from humanistic. We’re supposed to be nice and kind. But because of our intellectual possibility, this aggression is very devastating. It’s very unfortunate.
To you, who is the happiest person on earth?
I’m not the happiest person in the world because that’s a relative thing. It’s difficult to answer. I am a happy person and I am relatively satisfied with what I am.
If you were President of the US, what would your first reform be?
If I were the president of the US, I would certainly promote the concept of equality of nations. Of course this is because I’m not the president of US. If I were probably I would have a different idea because of this aggressive human nature and the power that would be bestowed upon me.
However, I think I’m intellectual enough and I believe in this principle very strongly, that if I were to become the president of the United Nations, I would promote equality of nations.
What do you need?
What I need is limitless. The more one has the more one wants. That’s in human nature. If I had some more possibilities I could promote some more sociological betterment for others.
What would you do if we gave you 1 million dollars now?
I don’t think I would do anything very special with it. Just upgrade my standard of living.
Which innovation, realistic or not, would greatly ease your day-to-day life?
I have a lot of things to do and I have a lot of ideas and concepts for which I need time. I think the best invention would be if my life could be extended. I don’t know how but some researches are being done to extend human life to about 150 years. Anyway as a first step I think that’s a good one but then we’ll try and extend it to 300 and so.
What’s the news that affects you the most in your country these days?
I can’t think of any single news that would affect me. Right now maybe if the dollar rate parity with real becomes less that would be help.
Do you think your life is easier or more complicated than the life of your parents?
I think there is a big nostalgia generally speaking that our fathers, our ancestors had a better life than we do. I don’t agree with that. I think generally speaking - unless some exceptional things happen, someone may get caught in war or with bad disease, which obviously make their lives worse than their parents - the general life standard of human being as improved throughout the ages.
If you had to create a company, what would it be?
I really haven’t thought about that. I don’t know I’ve created quite a few companies so far. I think I would probably try and expend these rather than create a new company.
Can you draw something beautiful?
Difficult question. I think I just have to keep this blank because there is beauty in everything. I really don’t consider any object more beautiful than another. Beauty can be in anything and ugliness can be in anything. Consequently it’s the design factor, the form, the color, the nature and that particular moment and situation that creates beauty or ugliness. Consequently all I can give you is a blank beauty. The whole world is beautiful, so what can I draw?
Can you sing something beautiful?
This is one of my weakest point. I don’t have a good voice. I have done quite a lot of declamation as I was at school and at university. I was a Shakespearian.
Consequently I can make a small declamation for you.
“I I ever thou shalt love,
In the sweet pangs of it remember me;
For such as I am true lovers are,
Unstaid and skittish in all motions else,
Save in constant image of the creature
Yhat is beloved”
This is from the Twelfth Night of Shakespeare.
What are you afraid of?
I’m afraid of snakes and of course that has a childhood history to it. I’m not really afraid of anything in general then again that depends of the situation.
What is your dream?
I don’t think I have a dream either really. I have a lot of things in my mind, which I think could be improved around me and in the world.
Close your eyes, you are in 2100, what do you see?
2100. Very difficult to forecast but I don’t think there’s going to be a great change in the world. This undemocratic system between nations is going to continue and human nature which hasn’t changed in the last 100 000 years isn’t going to change. Some countries again are going to be more democratic but I don’t think unfortunately this democracy between nations and what I call a worldwide democracy would appear.
What is the most beautiful thing that you’ve seen in your life?
I really can’t say because I see beauty instantly. I look so generally that it doesn’t strike me as being very singular in beauty. Consequently I have no memories of very beautiful things. I’ve seen a lot of very beautiful sceneries, I’ve seen beautiful buildings, I’ve seen great deal of beauty in museums and in nature and even in industrial things. But I don’t consider any of them more beautiful than another.
Being an architect and an artist, a sculptor, a painter who have carried out all these before, I know beauty is a subject. One may be able to compare the beauty between two similar objects or more. But just to say” this is the most beautiful thing”, for me it is not the right question.
If you had to write a book about the current world, what would be the title?
I’m writing lots of books actually. We have several books and the production coming. But if I had the time and the support, I would write a book on equality of nations.
Because this is the essence of democracy and modern thinking. We promote that you and I are equal persons, but we don’t promote that a French nation should be considered as an equal nation to North Korea for instance. You can’t have an equality of people if you don’t have an equality of nations because consequently you are promoting that one nation is superior to another nation. Then people of that nation are superior to the people of the other one. This is a very important thing. It is the essence of a great deal of the problem of the world.
(The farm from Georges Orwell) It was a perfect illustration of two things. Firstly, human beings are not very humane; they’re more animal natures. Additionally, they’re not really considered as equal. We may say that they are equal but they’re not really. That isn’t very important in an international or a global manner but when several countries are not equal to several other countries that creates all these wars, all theses problems currently occurring in the world. Lot of them are very unnecessary.
What does religion mean to you?
I prefer not to answer to this question.
Which of your country's cultural specificities are you the proudest of?
I think the most important part of the Iranian culture; it’s great length of a culture, which has existed for seven thousand years. It has existed in a homogeneous way for so long despite many invasions, many wars, change of times, changes of technology, and changes of idea.
The second one, which is very little known in the world and I have written several articles on this, is the promotion of democracy which in the west is said to have started with Greece but in my article I have proved that it started 2,000 years before that. It started in Greece in Iran particularly.
If you could do any job regardless of money, what would you do?
I think the useful thing that I could promote would be the equality of nations once again. It also supports the acceptance of equality of people.
If you had to explain our planet to an alien, what would you say?
Well let’s say this is going to take a long time I think because one can explain the physical side, general side. I don’t know, it’s very difficult. It is just absurd so I don’t have a pronounced idea on this.
And you, which question would you like to ask to the world?
I think one must have a reason for asking question and as I don’t have a particular reason to make a sort of a worldwide survey on especially one question, I don’t have a question.